Either way the original owner, for whatever reason, decided at the time, that they didn't want the Painting, along with other goods, and threw them away. This painting was so important they did not know it was missing. [4] Mr. Mould took it to New York to be sold by Sotheby's. To reclaim the painting the Blakes would have to prove that it was more likely than not that the painting belonged to them and, rather than being sold or abandoned, it had either been lost or was stolen from them. There shouldn't have been a problem. Ga naar primaire content.nl. If they could be grateful for the find and offer her half the money, I think she would accept it. Winslow Homer (February 24, 1836 – September 29, 1910) was an American landscape painter and printmaker, best known for his marine subjects.He is considered one of the foremost painters in 19th-century America and a preeminent figure in American art. Thanks for coming back, hope you are well? Thanks for reading. This is a very interesting case from a legal perspective. I watched this last night and was shocked, to then today do some research and discover a 3rd party has made a claim.... Could it have gotten any worse. He can't just take the painting without showing on paper that she put the painting up as collateral. Simon Murray, Sir Henry's great great grandson, gave an interview on camera stating that actually yes they did know of it, and refused to budge on the issue. The family believe it disappeared from Myrtle Grove after a series of robberies in the 1980s,[10] although Philip Mould notes that there was no crime reported. What pigs those people are. thanks again, and have a great weekend, nell. Clifford Schorer Apr 7 2018 at 1:08 pm I remember the day I stumbled on the collection of the Worcester Art Museum, a mere 16 miles away from my office, but then so quietly marketed, unknown, other than a few scholarly references, to even an enthusiastic amateur like myself. Certainly, Schorer has deeper pockets than Selena. G. S. 2020 comment on September 23, 2020: If Mr. Shorer wins and the painting ends up In Worcester Museum ( in Connecticut), it couldn’t have a better home. And at the beginning, the family were not interested in the Painting. It's been awhile, but I still think Sotheby's KNOWS its jewels are in a wringer because they didn't do the all important due diligence and verify the provenance of the painting BEFORE agreeing to include it in an auction. What's infinitely worse though, is his condescension to an honest woman that he's never met as though she's a lowly pauper entertaining silly notions of pools and cars to which plebeians like her have no business aspiring, all while simultaneously wanting to sell a supposedly cherished family heirloom to upkeep the family mansion! Nell Rose (author) from England on February 03, 2020: If you read down the page, the answer is there. thanks for reading, nell. It is in watercolour and pencil. I noticed his evidence of provenance by way of the letters referred to a sketch not a painting - could it be that Homer sketched the family and gave that to Lady Blake whilst he completed the painting later - perhaps he then took it to Ireland later. VALUELESS.....unless each take 50%. After twenty long years of collecting dust in a cupboard, they thought it was time that someone else had a chance to own this wonderful Painting. He left two years later to begin free-lance illustration. After the initial shock, Tony decided to let the Antiques Roadshow investigate how such a great Painting could end up on a rubbish dump in Ireland. Previous owners were Oliver Cromwell and Sir Walter Raleigh. As you say, the painting was salvaged from a dumpster. However what we do know: Selena has stored it for over 20 years in a clean, dry place therefore she has a right to charge the Blakes for storage fees,( if they can prove it was always theirs in the first place). The story of this painting, including how it came to be confirmed as a Winslow Homer and valued at a quarter of a million dollars, is told in the second episode of the BBC’s reality television show, Fake or Fortune. In November 2013, a Massachusetts man named Clifford Schorer says he loaned Selena Rendell an unspecified amount and she used the painting as collateral. The family believed the painting was by her. If I were written of, as these Murray's are written of, I would be so very ashamed. Just stopped by to see if this mess has been resolved yet. but the new owner still has a long way to go. Even though the Blake family have never pressed its ownership. Nell Rose (author) from England on March 05, 2018: Its a weird situation Paul. if you don't want to write details here, just email me, go to my profile page, down the right hand side till you get to Fan Male, click on there and then send me an email okay? Clifford has since tried to retrieve the Painting from Sotheby's but they still refuse to let him take it. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 11, 2019: Thanks, Ana, I totally agree. So sad that rich people have such a narrow attitude. The Blakes believe it is a family portrait and therefore it should go back to them. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer. Nell Rose (author) from England on October 05, 2020: Thanks Imogen, the Fake or Fortune programme this was on is probably the most famous. I am very curious and in 2019, I can find no updates from 2016. Doesn't make sense, does it?! They did the right thing but the real mystery is how did they come to be there? There should be a new encyclopedia entry under "hypocrisy" with his ugly face and his ugly name. Like a paint-by-number, as it were, which would explain why the family always thought it was one of her own watercolors. Selina is a part time carer, and has four children. Thanks for reading. thanks, that sounds interesting! Nell Rose (author) from England on May 30, 2015: Thanks angiiii, I try to keep it polite on here, I have learned my lesson in the past! Like hell it was! The fact is, this watercolor, unframed, was tucked away in the pages of a scrapbook and it's more than likely the family tossed it out with no idea anything valuable was in it, which is their problem. What a roller coaster ride for Selina ! Seems to me that Simon Murray's family should have some insurance records of the painting from before the painting was found on the dump. Despite their honest purchase or acquisition, they were considered to have received "stolen goods". He is a wealthy individual who is clueless to living in the real world. I personally think Selena had a good case. I was very disappointed with the way the show ended. There was no burglary, as the Blakes stated in the first place. Then I found the info on the internet, so maybe not. It is still an ongoing case. Therefore he knows exactly how to handle the case. Hello! You always find the most interesting subjects to write about. I do understand both parties. Locals think she is there now as they are away. I love it on the Antiques Roadshow when they discover a lost painting or valuable item - you always think it's going to mean a happy ending. . As far as Tony was concerned it was just another pretty water colour that happened to have been thrown away. Each case will have to be treated individually according to the laws of the court involved. Homer had Painted the photo when they'd just about all met up abroad. The story starts on a day way back in the 1980s. Kunstenaar: Winslow Homer - alle werken van deze kunstenaar als kunstdruk, als olieverfschilderij of op dibond/acrylglas. No family of this calibre would not have insured their valuable artworks, and most keep their records for posterity and history. This does not need litigation. thanks for reading, nell. Murray is simply indulging in legal thuggery. Then it got even better. Nell Rose (author) from England on December 15, 2018: Exactly. The man is a barrister for god's sake. The author places Homer against a background of American nationalism fuelled by tensions between American self-identity and European sophistication. According to Sothebys, they have issued a statement that says: 'The ownership of the painting is still being disputed and should be settled in the Courts'. or been advised that, because I am sure those Blakes would have shut up then! The central figure is Olive Blake. Unless there is something else we don't know, but anyway, thanks so much for the update, I wish the stalemate would end, it must be driving her and the family nuts! But Edith was a well-known, accomplished watercolorist who did very detailed renderings of the flora and fauna of the Bahamas, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that Homer did do the sketch, but Edith Blake completed it. That said, I DO like angiiiii's "solution"...sort of. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer. I just checked, but it seems that it is still stalemate. [4] Mr. Murray initially offered Ms. Varney 25% of the sale proceeds as a "finder's fee". Why can they keep a urn that they found and Selina can not keep a picture her family rescued? In 1987, the painting, along with a work by Lady Blake and other material related to the Blake family, was found by Tony Varney while fishing in Ireland. It sounds like Selina has done pretty well out of this, and good luck to her! yes the ownership is a big thing, if they got it wrong they could be sued, so they have to be really careful. 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